Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

What are some strategies when trying to quit or cut down? What works for you?

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Postby pamela » Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:05 am

The thing is Dizzy no one is a winner on those machines
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Re: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Add

Postby Dizzy » Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:37 pm

Hi every thing written in these posts I have experienced its a terrible feeling when you put your last penny in a machine and next minute someone else comes along and wins on the machine you really are sucked into a false sense of getting that big win
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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby Noah (facilitator) » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:04 pm

Hey Pheonix,

Sorry for not responding sooner but I didn't see this post until now!

Oh my how grim!

My understanding is that there have been studies to suggest a genetic component to developing addiction. But what I understand they are saying is that there are certain people that MAY be more prone than others to developing an addiction but it is is definitely not set in stone! My understanding is that it is a mix of of biological, environmental and social factors that make people really vulnerable to developing a problem. But again, vulnerable to developing a problem rather than it being a for-gone conclusion.

What do others think?

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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby Phoenix » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:01 am

There was a recent study on gamblers which was done at the University of California. In that study they found strong evidence to suggest that gamblers are born that way, not created through conditioning. Apparently, according to this study, it's in our genes.

I don't know what use this information is to us other than to serve as evidence that we were screwed from birth! lol
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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby David2 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:09 pm

Hi Phoenix,

It is a complex addiction. I don't think it's as black and white as saying it's because of an adrenaline rush. I do other activities to satisfy my need for action. If it was as simple as that, I don't see why I wouldn't have replaced the pokies for the other activity. There are different types of gamblers, and different reasons for gambling.

What I do know, though, is that in addition to the pokie machine being programmed to payout a certain percentage, they have also been programmed to increase the number of "near wins" you have. Have you noticed how frequently you are always so close to getting the feature? Make no mistake that is no coincidence they are designed like that to make them more addictive.

So instead of thinking about the money you've already pumped into the machine, you begin chasing the features, and the focus becomes getting a feature, and you don't feel satisfied until you get one. You hit a feature, it doesn't pay so you're back to even, so you rationalize with yourself, "well the next feature has to pay" and the viscous cycle continues.

Phoenix (2/07/2014)Yes that theory makes perfect sense David however gambling is not sensible and money is not why gamblers gamble. A gambling addiction is a compulsive disorder which feeds on adrenalin rush, not money.... hence the saying 'He would bet on a fly crawling up the wall'. Chasing past losses is just the lie we gamblers tell ourselves to justify our gambling. It's an excuse to gamble, not the reason why we do.
I don't mean to be contrite, I just think it is very important for gambling addicts to know exactly what they are dealing with. Gambling is not logical, it's emotional & money has little to do with it. Just think back to when you were gambling & when you were betting really large amounts. Do you remember the rush of adrenalin pumping through you? That's what we gamblers are addicted to and money, unfortunately, is just the vehicle to get us there.... in my opinion.


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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby Dave68 » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:15 pm

Phoenix (2/07/2014)Yes that theory makes perfect sense David however gambling is not sensible and money is not why gamblers gamble. A gambling addiction is a compulsive disorder which feeds on adrenalin rush, not money.... hence the saying 'He would bet on a fly crawling up the wall'. Chasing past losses is just the lie we gamblers tell ourselves to justify our gambling. It's an excuse to gamble, not the reason why we do.
I don't mean to be contrite, I just think it is very important for gambling addicts to know exactly what they are dealing with. Gambling is not logical, it's emotional & money has little to do with it. Just think back to when you were gambling & when you were betting really large amounts. Do you remember the rush of adrenalin pumping through you? That's what we gamblers are addicted to and money, unfortunately, is just the vehicle to get us there.... in my opinion.



Bit of that i reckon. I can't help bit think i was a bit of a video game player in the 80's, being born in '68 i was a teenager in the age of Galaga, Space Invaders, Pac-Man etc and i did play them a lot in my youth. And upon thinking about it, part of playing pokies is trying to get 'a better score' in one sense, trying to get the feature, get the 5 scatters, or the screen-full of Pandas or something like that. But money was the tool with which one could play the machines to get that rush. Of course when you lose, you still feed more money into it, but nowadays it's not just 20c pieces back in the 80's but $50 notes now.

Reading from this poker book written in the 70's, it did have a table of 'gambling intensity'....and the small-sounding loss that a pokie would purport to pay out, that mystical 87% or some such. But with the spins per event so rapid, you bet so many more activities than say a horse race, or a weekly lotto ticket. Thus playing pokies supercharges the loss aspect, as well as probably amping up the 'buzz' factor of trying to get the features. You spin the reels probably every 5 seconds or so, and i reckon to the one who has the addictive personality, it can get out of control. I did with me, although now it's 12 weeks clean, and i am still maintaining my anger at the machines in order to reinforce to myself to keep away from them.
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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby Phoenix » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:39 am

Yes that theory makes perfect sense David however gambling is not sensible and money is not why gamblers gamble. A gambling addiction is a compulsive disorder which feeds on adrenalin rush, not money.... hence the saying 'He would bet on a fly crawling up the wall'. Chasing past losses is just the lie we gamblers tell ourselves to justify our gambling. It's an excuse to gamble, not the reason why we do.
I don't mean to be contrite, I just think it is very important for gambling addicts to know exactly what they are dealing with. Gambling is not logical, it's emotional & money has little to do with it. Just think back to when you were gambling & when you were betting really large amounts. Do you remember the rush of adrenalin pumping through you? That's what we gamblers are addicted to and money, unfortunately, is just the vehicle to get us there.... in my opinion.

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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby David2 » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:13 am

Glad to hear Pamela. How are you travelling?
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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby pamela » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:42 pm

makes really good sense thankyou
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RE: Overcoming the Painful Desires and Beliefs That Feed Addiction

Postby David2 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:27 am

Interesting you should say that Dave because that is a big part of what kept me going back too. My "gambling mates" seemed like they were always much luckier than me. Of course, they don't tell you about the money they lost though. Also I think certain events happen that fuel the addiction. I remember playing a machine and the player on the machine next to me winning the jackpot for $13k. And you know what he said to me? I won the jackpot at this venue last week. That was hard to take lol.
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