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Pre-commitment scheme

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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby David2 » Sun May 19, 2013 2:02 pm

Pre-commitment is not the solution. The suggestion of voluntary pre-commitment is just a joke.

What needs to be done is minimizing the harm by lowering the betting limits or the percentage the venue gets from every machine so you can't lose as much money as quickly.

It's ludicrous a player can lose in excess of $1200-$1500 an hour playing them. Correct me if I am wrong but in the UK I think its in the range of $30-$40 per hour on the low limit machines. It's like comparing chalk with cheese and to make matters worse Australia has the highest density of pokie machines.
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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Anna1 » Mon May 20, 2013 9:17 pm

Is it possible to go on a venue crawl once your pre commitment has been reached in one place? If that was possible I'd probably jog two city blocks before strolling casually! into the next venue and angrily setting my pre commitment much higher. And since my handful of patient friends (non-gamblers) have always been a little afraid of the intensity in me when I gamble, they were so obviously uncomfortable on occasions when I would discuss the possibility of having one of them come as my minder at all times, and going for a time limit rather than a monetary limit, that I didn't push them to accept. For me being alone is lethal, and nothing has helped me more to snap out of the zone than if a pleasant voice points out to me that I have quite a lot of money up. I take the hint and collect, thank them, but don't always manage to go home rather than straight into the next venue I see.
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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Noah (facilitator) » Wed May 22, 2013 9:44 pm

Hi Anna1 and David

It's a good point that different venues will have to 'speak' to eachother if the scheme was going to be at all helpful...it sounds like it's important a lot of thought (and consultation) will be need to be put in to how it will be implemented...if this has any chance of working. Here's a link to a discussion paper and different organisational responses to it... made for an interesting read....http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/home/liquor+gambling+and+racing/gaming/pre-commitment/

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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Jo2 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:10 pm

Hi all - interesting topic.

My humble opinion is that if pre-commitment is mandatory, the venues better have some burly peace keepers on stand by ..... I've seen some people lose the plot because they're losing and I'm imagining some could lose it more so if they are cut off and dont have the chance to win it back.

I cant help but wonder....Is attempting to control one problem going to create others?

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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Glan » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:22 pm

I acquiesce absolutely with pre-commitment because not every person who wagers will do it precisely away neither has a problem but it is an alternate for those who are administration or appreciating that a difficulty is/has developed. An choice which if it was accessible the first time I lost my thousands I would have taken advantage of to help command my support to spend more. Having tried decreasing ATM withdrawals this did not work because I had alignment over manipulating my investments online and/or altering again my exodus bounds etc. When you are out of alignment and in the zone all reasoning advances out the doorway. Pre-commitment as I realize being that I pre-consign to what i can spend and then not proficient to play more is a better alternate because it is the appliance chopping me out. I accept as true they have a accuse to do this.
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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Lucas1 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:29 pm

Pre-Commitment, if only the government awakened up and appreciated how much wagering is costing the well being and lawful part they might actually appreciate that by declining consuming on wagering they are keeping bucket burdens of money elsewhere!
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RE: Pre-commitment scheme

Postby Angelina. » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:25 am

Hello everyone,


In response to this delightfully heateddiscussion, from the perspective of working within a Victorian Governmentfunded gambler's help agency, pre-commitment has been advocated as a 'harm-minimisation' strategy, and is supported by a majority of problem gambling specialists.


My understanding of the current status of the Bill that includes details on pre-commitment, and correct me if I am wrong, is that the commencement of the requirement for gaming machines is to be delayed until the end of 2013. This is referring to the Bill formally introduced into Parliamenton 1 November 2012.


Here are some links to documents pertaining to pre-commitment trials from South Australia:

http://www.treasury.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/1546/precommitment-13-chapter10.pdf

http://www.treasury.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/1559/pre-commitment-trial-nfo-sheet.pdf


HOWEVER, I wonder what changes will unveil under our new 'Abbott' government...? :Wow:

Apparently Abbott has announced that he will ban all credit offered by Australian online gaming companies, meaning that it would impossible to offer credit to Australian customers. Any thoughts, comments? :doze:


Read more: http://www.australiangambling.com.au/gambling-news/tony-abbott-promises-ban-on-online-casino-credit/22393/#ixzz2eV0HEIch

Also, it has been reported that the Coalition will rely on the clubs and gaming industry to develop support and counselling services for problem gamblers.

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